The Democratic debate in Las Vegas is underway! I missed the first few minutes, but let’s jump into it with a question on immigration:
Unfortunately, Blitzer is asking one of those yes-or-no questions that boils a complex issue down to a one-word answer–immigration is bigger than just one word, and we need a real debate on this pressing issue.
Obama supports drivers licenses for immigrants, as does Edwards, and both talk up comprehensive immigration reform.
Clinton opposes–a big change from her equivocation last week–without any further comment.
Kucinich argues that NAFTA needs to be renegotiated, doesn’t believe anyone should count as illegal.
Richardson spoke about his record dealing with immigration as Governor of New Mexico.
Biden opposes.
Question: Should there be merit pay for teachers? To Dodd.
Dodd: Merit pay should be based on the effort teacher puts in, not how well their students do necessarily or how good their school is. This is a critical issue, and Dodd says it’s the most important issue–need the most educated generation we’ve ever produced. Need to spend more of our budget on education–reform No Child Left Behind, gets big applause calling it a “disaster.” 26 years in Senate, began children’s caucus, dealt with childhood literacy, head start and autism issues.
Question: Are there any issues with teacher’s unions on which you disagree? To Kucinich
Kucinich: My father was a union member, I’m a union member, it’s essential to worker’s rights. Says he’s the candidate of workers in this campaign because he’s stood for jobs for all, health care for all, etc. Can address these needs directly because he remembers where he came from; is willing to oppose unions on some issues.
Richardson: Wants to be education President. Wants a large minimum wage for teachers, need to be bolder with NCLB, wants preschool and full day kindergarten for children. Cites low U.S. ratings in science, supports science, math, art, as well as college education policy dealing with large loans.
Question: Should there be teacher merit pay? To Clinton
Clinton: Supports school-based merit pay to get teachers to go where they’re needed. Teachers are a team, and they need to be rewarded as such. You need to weed out teachers who do not do a good job, they should not be teaching our children. Believes that education has served country well, but needs to be reimagined. We need to collaborate and bring teachers to table, not talk down to them like Bush administration.
Biden: Excellent teacher should be judged based on if they work outside the classroom to improve teaching skills. Wife is a teacher, earned additional degrees to gain additional knowledge. Who makes decision on merit pay? Believes in teaching excellence, wants to demand more for teachers in terms of participation after school and in school. Agrees with Richardson in providing higher base pay to teachers.
Question: Pakistan’s president has suspended constitution, placed opposition leader under house arrest, etc. You and others assert U.S. needs to continue economic aid to Pakistan–should our safety be more important than strategic value? To Biden.
Biden: Spoke to President of Pakistan, encouraged him to restore democratic system, threatened to cut off military aid. Indicated we should move to Pakistan policy to help develop middle class in that country, help education and NGOs. Need to develop relationship between US and Pakistan.
Richardson: Got principles wrong in Pakistan policy–security more important than human rights. If he’s President, it would be the other way around. Make assistance conditional, encourage President to restore democracy and have elections and allow opposition and restore court and go after terrorists. Has done a very weak job going after terrorism. Islamic parties get maybe 15% of the vote, disputes ideas that moderates would win democratic election.
Blitzer: Human rights, at times, are more important than American national security?
Richardson: Yes, and we have to say it to the world. Not about what Halliburton wants in Iraq. Our strength is our values.
Edwards: Need to focus on basic goals. Get extremists under control, support democratic reformers, make sure elections take place, make certain nuclear weapons are under control. Bigger question–Pakistan is an example that our ad hoc policy of dealing with nuclear weapons–which is necessary, at times–will not work over the long term. What America needs to do is to lead a long-term international effort to rid the world of nuclear weapons. Only way to keep us and world secure
Obama: Concepts are not contradictory. They are complimentary, Pakistan is a great example. $10 billion over seven years, neither restored democracy or defeated terrorism. Pakistani democracy helps us in the war on terror–as President, will do everything necessary to ensure nuclear weapons do not fall into the hands of extremists, but we cannot uphold anti-democratic forces otherwise it feeds impression we only care about ourselves.
Dodd: Finds it ironic that Bush urges Turks not to invade Iraq and lectures Pakistan on destroying the constitution. National security is most important–promise to protect constitution and country from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Elections are only one note in the tune of democracy–cannot have totally free elections, or extremists will win. Need to remind Pakistan of obligations they have to fulfill–if they fail, we have to terminate relationship.
Clinton: National security is most important, must protect and defend United States. Connection between democratic regime and heightened security for US. After 9/11, Bush had chance to take a better course, and now we are in a bind due partly due to Bush’s failed policies. Have to tell Pakistan that it is not in their or our interest to continue as they have; asked him to accept high-level Presidential envoy, but White House refused. You have to stay on top of issues and manage them, requiring Presidential attention.
Question: It’s true that 2007 was deadliest year since 2003, but it’s also true that troop deaths have been declining since spring. At the end of October, it was at it’s lowest in two years. Was Petraeus correct that the troop increase made improvements? To Richardson
Richardson: We should not talk about body counts–one American is too much. There has not been progress 3/18 benchmarks have been met–even with Republican math, it’s a failing grade. 60% of Iraqis say it’s okay to shoot at Americans, and our troops are suffering. We must get our troops out, cannot leave residual force unlike his colleagues support. Need a political compromise–share oil revenue, all-Muslim, all-Arabic peacekeeping force. Other nations contributing to rebuilding Iraq, where we have spent $500 billion that we should have spent here.
Kucinich: Occupation is fueling insurgency. In 2003, proposed withdrawal plan–only one to vote against war. Troops should be brought home now–Congressional Democrats have not done nearly enough, should not provide one more time. On Pakistan– you cannot look at the destabilization there and in many other Muslim nations without acknowledging role the war in Iraq has played. Strength through peace–no more unlilateralism, no more preemption, negotiation and peace.
Obama: American troops in Iraq are doing a great job and making a small difference, but overall strategy has failed because Iraqi behavior has not changed. Will bring the war to a close, troops out in 16 months, talk to Iraqi actors and regional powers. People are on 2, 3, 4 tours, families are carrying a huge burden, this year had highest casualty rates since war started–same in Afghanistan. We’re back to where we started–deaths are declining because they went so high in prior year.
Question: About unsafe toys from China, are proponents of trade with China at fault?
Kucinich: People have to take responsibility, yes it is their fault. When we first made trade deals with China, we knew they had various issues. Edwards votes for China trade knowing that workers would be hurt–you’re a trial lawyer, you should have known better. People have to take responsibility for their position.
Edwards: Not sure what being a trial lawyer has to do with it. America’s trade policy has been a complete disaster. NATA, CAFTA, Columbia, Korea, Peru…believes that powerful interests, particularly corporate interests, have taken over government to the detriment to ordinary Americans. In 1993, Democrats controlled House, Senate and White House, proposed universal healthcare–corporate interests killed it. Yet, NAFTA was on the table, and corporate interests supported it, and it got passed. Cannot replace corporate Republicans with corporate Democrats.
Blitzer: Was your vote for China trade a mistake?
Edwards: It was right to bring them into WTO, wrong to not hold them accountable.
Blitzer: Remember NAFTA passing under Clinton. Was Perot right? To Clinton
Clinton: It’s a vague memory. NAFTA did not do what many have hoped. Need trade relations that are smart, that help the American worker and consumer. It’s not just the toys, it’s the pet food and prescription drugs. Need an independent investigative arm on Chinese government and companies that import items into US, ensure imported items are safe.
Blitzer: Was NAFTA a mistake?
Clinton: To the extent that it did not deliver what it was supposed to, yes. Need a trade time out, need to reevaluate our trade policy, need enforceable standards.
Dodd: Time out is a good idea, but Clinton and others voted for Peru free trade act. If a US corporation produced contaiminated goods, they would have been shut down in 15 minutes.
Obama: Supports Peru agreement, right thing to do, opposed to other free trade plans. You know what Japan does when importing Chinese goods? Send over own inspectors, say if you do not follow our rules you cannot import your goods. Why doesn’t the US do that? We are the biggest market in the world–problem with most favored trading status, should have said we would review that every year to ensure they safeguarded consumers.
Biden: Not the agreement, the man. Under the WTO, we can shut this down–we have a President who won’t enforce the law. We have power under the agreement–enforce the agreement.
Roberts: Oil near $100 a barrel, highlights need for other technologies. To Obama, Illinois gets 40% of power from nuclear, but opposes keeping nuclear waste in Illinois. Where?
Obama: Not fair to send it to Nevada. We have to develop storage capacity based on sound stage–labs are trying to develop ways to store nuclear waste. Nuclear power not best option–crisis that needs to be addressed. Must cap greenhouse gases, because climate change is real and affecting the planet. Need to charge polluters, reinvest money in other sources of power–solar, wind, biodiesel, etc.
Blitzer: Where do you send the waste if you can’t develop new technologies?
Obama: Currently on-site, but you cannot assume we cannot develop new technologies. We can do it. We need bold leadership in White House to combat global warming and develop new technologles.
Richardson: Future is renewable. You don’t put waste in Yucca mountain, opposes storage there for various reasons, opposes regional sties as well. Would turn Yucca into national laboratory, need to find a way to safely dispose of nuclear waste. Technological solution–should not give nuclear energy all of these subsidies and concessions. Need an energy revolution to shift from fossil fuels to renewable sources, 50% by 2020. We need 30% of electricity renewable. Americans must sacrifice a bit.
Queston: To Clinton, said her tenure at Wellsley helped her compete in all boys club of politics, but campaign criticized opponents for piling on. Is campaign exploiting her gender?
Clinton: Not playing gender cared, playing winning card. Not attacking her because she’s a woman, attacking her becaue she’s ahead. Truman said if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, and I feel very comfortable in the kitchen. We can laugh about it because it’s exciting to look at this field of candidates–if it hadn’t been for the progress of America, many candidates up here could not run. Proud to be very first woman to run for President.
Brown: What did you mean by the boy’s club?
Clinton: There may be some impediments to women, and it’s been my goal to been part of this great movement of progress that affects all of us, but particularly to me as a woman. Must aim at the highest, hardest glass ceiling. Not running because I’m a woman, but because I’m the best candidate. Talks about the people she’s inspired.
Blitzer: Do any of you feel Clinton is playing gender card?
Edwards: All candidates should be held to the same standard. Nothing personal, need strong candidate, and there are differences between all of us. Like the difference between corporate Democrats and corporate Republicans. Some of us have taken different approach–Clinton supports establishment, and voters have choices.